I commonly frequent several Forums on Miniature Horses and Ponies and a few on horses as well. Recently – there was a post asking questions about stallions. I wanted to post not only the gentleman’s questions, but how I responded with our current set up as an example…
~~~~MM Posted on 27 July 2016 – There are no studs to breed with around locally, and there are several ads on line where people are looking to breed to one.
There is a 3 year old stallion for sale about 3 hours from here, and I am thinking of buying him…….. I have worked with Draft horses, Ponies, saddle horses, and miniatures, but I have never handled a stallion. I have the video’s from the owner of them walking him on a loose shank, catching him in the field and handling him. He seems quite enough……… I do have a friend that has Clyde stallions and he said he could be a sounding board if I needed help…..
Here are my questions:
How large a turn out area does one need for a stallion? I am thinking that the fence would need to be at least 5 feet high?
He would not be living in isolation here, once the mare is in foal he can run with the gelding and mare for company…. If the mare has a young foal, he can still hang our with the gelding. I would hope to train him to drive in the team with the gelding.
I will probably have more questions after we get this discussion started.~~~~
and here is my first post on 28 July 2016 –
We currently have 3 stallions (1 to be gelded in Sept) and 1 Jr stud colt (will be gelded in Sept). Our pasture arrangements keep changing as we’ve had some fencing challenges – we need to get some paddock fences hot to keep the boys where they are supposed to be. BUT – we’ve maintained stallions in pens built from stock or cattle panels. They are pre-made, welded steel panels – 50″ tall by 16′ long. Since moving to NC, we’ve always purchased them from TSC and they are currently $19.99/panel. When I was growing up in CO 40 yrs ago & in MT before NC – I have no idea where we used to get them from.
Our two stallion pens right now are one 16′ panel wide with a 4′ gate added and 3 panels long (48′) long. These 2 pens are set inside our “boys pasture”. I don’t think I’ve officially measured our boys pasture – I will have to see & let you know how large it is. Our cattle panels are tied up with a combination of haystring (strongest), wire (too light/breaks!! – wrong kind? but I can’t wrap the heavier stuff around the posts tight enough to hold well) and zip ties (also break easily when they fight over the fencing or run into it full tilt or even when they scratch their itchy butts).
Our boys have all been raised together over the years – so YES, we have/do keep not one but 2 stallions out with the boys (geldings). I don’t have “true” minis as ours are all Shetlands, but some are small(er). We do have issues – and there have been injuries. I have owned stallions (purchased as mature ponies) that would kill both geldings and other stallions – the fighting is ugly and horrific and no different then with big horses. I can then separate the boys as needed with our two pens. Right now I have a 3 yr old gelding in 1 pen with a young stallion that will be gelded in September. I weaned him late – wanted him where the other geldings could see/smell/get to know him before I turned him out with them. He is from some larger breeding and he is now larger than the gelding he is in – even though he is only 10 months old now. Going to start turning him out with the boys this weekend – they’ve been in the pen for 2 or 3 weeks now.
Some pics of our boys running and playing together. You can see the panel fence behind them. The bigger pony is 1/2 Arab gelding – now 8 yrs old. The black & white colt is still a stallion and was raised since weaning with these boys. He is a 2013 model. The bay tobiano shetland at the rear (closest to us in pic) with the white tail, is a 2011 stallion and has been out with these boys off and on since 2013 when he came home from the show trail.
I crop our photos, so I don’t have a good shot of just the boys paddocks/pens. I’m looking. Here’s the front of the pasture w/ Rio(2013 gelding) getting his hooves trimmed. Right in front of him (to the left of the photo is another 4 ft blue gate panel into the 2nd stud pen & beside him to the right is the 3rd blue gate to the 2nd pen. The one where he is tied goes into an open area between the two stud pens that I can close off if necessary but that I usually leave open.
Here is the only “decent” shot of the intro between a 2 yr old Shetland stallion (Oly) and the boys – after this stallion returned home from the show trail. Trust me, you’d never have known that at one time he tried to nurse the big gelding (1/2 Arab – Sami) who he is striking at. It turned quite ugly after this and I had to put the stallion (Oly) back into a pen. It took quite a while to re-integrate him into the group as a stallion. This is at our previous property in August 2013. I did sell him to a friend as a stallion and now he is a happy, well integrated gelding – after siring 1 colt for her.
and I continued an hour later with this post –
So our situation set up is this – we have 21 acres total. When we moved in, there was one pasture fenced in short (too short but we will address that later) field fence. It’s around approximately 7 acres (I think? – may be smaller). We built the pony paddocks, another pen behind the “barn” that was here, and the 60′ round pen w/i that pasture. The paddocks are 30′ off of the perimeter fence and the corners are angled so that large equipment can go around if needed/necessary. It also works as a “paddock paradise” track & driving/riding areas. AS of now, we don’t have them all up yet – so I have a group of ponies running on the outside perimeter pasture. The boys paddock is along the side that is by the driveway & front gate. I have temporary feed sheds that will become permanent outside the boys pasture and one of the girls pastures. These sheds are built using 48″ pallets for the sides and the cattle panels arched to form the roofs. The boy’s feed shed is approx 8′ x 10′ and the girls’ is currently 8′ x 12′ (getting ready to extend it to 12′ x 16′). We have 1 Arabian mare, 2 Xbred shetlands, & 29 purebred shetlands in this set up…
Well, this shot actually shows the mangled gate on the outside stud pen – closest to our driveway. Our Arab mare was being fed loose at the front of the pen. Larry, my hubby, rode his new bike (pedal, 10 speed type) along the drive way – outside the perimeter pasture – and she totally freaked out (guess we skipped that part of her training, oops). She ran backwards until she hit the end of the pen and then reared, flipping backwards over the panel (bending that section like a hammock). These are the ends that open in to the boy’s pasture. The “feed shed” is outside the paddocks/pasture and is where I store feed, small # of hay bales and halters, leads, grooming equipment for the boys.
Another angle – I’m standing outside the boys pasture and have cropped this photo down. The front of the pens is to your right – also the front of the whole pasture. The bay/white in the “middle” of the shot is actually furthest away and is loose in his pen. The two silver pintos on either side of him are tied in the section that is between the two stud pens. The leaning gate hasn’t been installed yet (cattle panel was shifted and doubled to install it for now). The larger bay pinto gelding is also tied in between the two stud pens – but is tied to the closer pen. There is a blue gate to the far left under that tree.
The section between the two stud pens. We can (& eventually will) make it into another pen. Right now, it’s open and the boys come into it to be tied and fed at their buckets. There are 4 ponies in the pic below, the posts are set every 8′. You can see the gates at the ends of each paddock.
An angle showing the front of the pen closest to us above – with the feed shed outside the fence. The feed shed is approximately 10′ wide? by 8′ deep (2 48″ pallets used for the sides, 1 pallet used for the back with an old door. I can put feed & hay out thru that open section. We have since put a different tarp on the roof and will soon be doing a different type roof (2 ltr plastic bottles over the two cattle panels).
The front of the boys pasture with the current geldings. They are standing about where there will be two gates installed. Right now the panels are angled to keep them up w/o posts and they are opened to allow my hay deliveries in 1x a month. The ponies are taken out via the smaller blue walk thru gates.
Our round pen is also built out of 16′ panels and is currently housing the one stallion to keep him separate from the mares he was running with since the end of March. He will be gelded in September. The round pen is 60′ diameter – the first time, ever, for us to have one this large. So far, it’s only been used to house ponies, not as a working round pen, LOL…
We currently have the other two shetland stallions together in a large pen made from blue (economy) fence panels with a Shetland mare. This is not an arrangement I usually recommend, but for now, it is working for us. It probably wouldn’t work at all if the 2013 colt hadn’t been raised with the 2011 stallion since he was weaned. The older fellow is now chasing the younger fellow – but soon we will have the fencing finished (again) on the boys paddock and they will both go back out there – w/ more room to run/play/get away if necessary and no mare to fight over. The two boys are a bit thin here – had been running the other fence lines before brought into this pen. In the 3 weeks since, they’ve put their weight back on.